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Time to break some rules. Hoping that I am capable of doing so...
Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:43 pm
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Commentby vjrithwik on Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:57 pm

nice spot light on the bird...

Commentby Sriharsha Ganjam on Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:23 pm

Can you elaborate on what you mean by breaking the rules PV?

Commentby Nilanjan Das on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:09 pm

I too have the same question as Harsha....

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Commentby Shivakumar L Narayan on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:02 am

The tones and the "composition" is what makes the image out of the world here. Love the slight vignette which brings the attention into the bird so well.
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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:45 am

I think Pramod was mentioning about the centered composition here. Scale and contrast works well for my taste buds here.

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:48 am

Ganesh, am ok with the centered composition as there is nothing else in the frame, probably that was the natural choice too, hence my query. As far as sense of scale is concerned, I personally feel it works great when there are two objects of contrasting size in the frame close to each other or two objects separated by a reasonable amount of distance. A subject surrounded by void definitely also expresses a sense of scale but it also generates a feeling of freedom in my mind. With the bird more towards the center, that sense of freedom is getting reduced a bit :-). What do you think ?

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:18 am

Nilanjan, sense of freedom is another way to look at space in this case (may be qualitatively better way). Back to the scale, I think our past experiences gives us some kind of absolute reference for the scale from the subject itself. Assume having an elephant with the same size as bird there in the center. Won't that give us a feeling of how vast the space around it is ? This is because we do have some inner reference for the scale of an elephant. Of course having another element in the frame makes it easier to portray the scale.

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Commentby Pramod Viswanath on Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:59 am

Good that I posted this image :). Thanks for your thoughts Nilanjanji and Ganesh. Really a revelation in terms of learning as well as different thoughts.

TO Answer your questions - indeed by breaking rules, I meant w.r.t composition and placement of subject in the frame. Some technical insight - when I am on a tele I don't normally enable multi-focus points. I will confess I am a bad action image maker. Me enabling the center focus point in this case is naturally evident but definitely wasn't an accident. IT was a deliberate move. This BSK was hovering in the deserts in the same place for 20 mins and I spent really good time explaining its behavior to my parents who were witnessing the moment for the first time :). They were delighted to watch it hunt a desert mouse.

Having spent 20 mins. First 5 mins I didn't even open my camera bag considering the rarity of the moment - wasn't something I had never witnessed before moment for me. But then after a while , the blue skies and lighting made me wonder - how about a B&W image. Mounted 300 2.8 - no TC used and tried this :).

Hope this explains what went behind.

Regarding the scale - indeed I agree with Ganesh. Reference point would really help but in this case it was not intended. Nilanjanji - thanks for those differential thoughts - next time I go out I have a different perspective! :)

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:21 pm

Yes, Ganesh, the frame itself can work as a reference of wide emptiness, I too have made a few images utilizing empty space but more than the sense of scale I was perhaps inspired by other thoughts. Nice actually, same frames but different thoughts :-). Probably a very individualistic way of looking at things, I have been always inspired by the thoughts like go and claim more of the air, more of the sea and more of the land.... they belong to you as much as it belongs to me, etc and bla bla bla....Corner use of single subjects in empty and wide frames really have provided me a sense of scale. But yes, we can agree to disagree a little bit from each other here :-), though I respect the views shared by others. PV am afraid I still am not fully convinced, but does not matter, we had a good discussion, we have seen these kind of images so many times and I do not remember we ever tried to analyze it so much. That's the take home pleasure :-).

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:35 pm

Nilanjan, I didn't say centered composition gives better sense of scale than the corner. In fact it is other way - so I am with you on that. However, I just thought there is a sense of scale portrayed here in this image.

Looks like we have reached the point of diminishing returns on this topic of scale :)

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Commentby dinesh.ramarao on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:09 pm

Pramod, if positioning the bird in center is termed as 'breaking the rule', to the best of my understanding, centered subject compositions were (assumed) rule of art always, some broke it and made the rule of thirds, etc., etc., :)


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Commentby Vikram Sathyanathan on Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:26 pm

Nice hovering image here Pramod. For my liking I would crop the image, place the BSK on the right top corner.