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I do not want to disclose any more information on this image, as it would lead the viewer to think in the way i would want.
Let me know what you think, any kind of comment / critique welcome, more the better :)
best regards,
-RD
Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:16 pm
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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:23 pm

If you want me to think and find out what this is.......hmmmm lemme guess, may be ur gray cells have turned yellow ? :-) Arrey you want us to enjoy abstract art understanding your vision or want us to solve a color puzzle ? What re ???

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Commentby Adithya Biloor on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:06 pm

To me this is a pure abstract. Pure abstract in the sense meaning is derived out of colours, shapes, forms, lines etc and independent of the subject.
It's more like a painter's approach where the artist chooses the colors carefully to express what he wants to.
When stare the image for some time some random shapes are emerging in the yellow portion.
Some more gradation in the colours/ different arrangement colours/ some more colours would have added to this image?
Also I am tempted to crop a few pixels from the bottom.

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Adithya Biloor
www.lensandtales.com

Commentby Nilanjan Das on Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:37 pm

Yes, colors, shapes and forms do depict abstracts Adithya, I would really love to know what is this image depicting for you independent of the subject ? Painters have the freedom to select colors which a photographer does not have. Painters begin with a blank canvas, a nature photographer does not. Hence, I completely disagree on this comparison of a nature photographer working with a painter's approach. Tell me plz why does a photographer need to have a painter's approach firstly ? One can look at any thing, water in a puddle, clouds in the sky or just about anything and one will begin to see shapes in them, so how is this different ? Just because a shape begins to form, does it become an abstract ? I think my thoughts are very different from yours, an abstract in all cases is an attempt to move away from reality thus having a degree of freedom and you are trying to see a patch of color and trying to bring in shape :-), so are you suggesting that you are looking at this image to create a degree of binding and not a degree of freedom ? Are you suggesting a journey in the opposite direction ? That is fine by me, but then it has to be justified. Colors have been used to express conditions of mind, many artists or theorists would say yellow creates a mood of excitement. Excitement is a state, either it begins from some point or it leads to a point, how does the image justify that dear ? Why do you think gradation of colors or different color arrangements would have added ? To reach a perspective or to reach a state of mind ? I would really love to understand this completely cos as of now your comment is just appearing like a scratch on the surface . My point is simple, what might work as an abstract for a painter might not work so well from a photographer's perspective. A painter searches in his mind, but a photographer even though searching in his mind has to see something first and then relate his thoughts with his vision. That makes it honest. I hope I could explain dear. I think may be a good discussion on this topic ( which for some reason was not done when I posted the article on abstract ) will help to identify the gaps or overlaps which exist between two genres of art, one of painting and one of photography.

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Commentby dinesh.ramarao on Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:34 am

Nilanjan, it is not about you finding what i want to ... but it is about what you feel about the image. You need not find element, meaning, emotion that i have here. What thoughts / emotions does that dark part of the image stimulate ? what do you see from that yellow, patches of green ? It is about looking for something that you don't see obvious like a an or an elephant. And about photography / fine art / abstracts etc., i think we will have one one ... for now just have a starting quote from me "Death is the abstract meaning of Birth" - btw, this quote is not related to this image. We shall - have this one one buddy, single malts are waiting :)

Adithya : it is not about visual appeal, the question is are you able to relate to this image ? it need not be the way i want everyone to connect here, but can one connect to this image the way he / she wants ?
-RD

Commentby Nilanjan Das on Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:56 am

Hmmmm, Death is a reality which can be reached only after unfolding the abstracts of life :-). We will discuss this image RD :-), not that I do not appreciate your idea of setting the mind of the viewer free. Plz do not think am trying to guide you on how to create abstracts, there are no codes for that too, but I think the balance of an abstract image lies on a thin line :-), just blurring or defocus or panning or an aggressive crop without any purpose does not create an abstract. If you believe every death has a meaning, every death has a purpose, then every deviation from reality, every degree of freedom too has a purpose. These degrees of freedom by default allows an image to grow in the mind of a viewer. That is where the beauty of abstracts lie my dear, an abstract is much more beyond a visual. It is more for the eyes of the mind :-).

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Commentby dinesh.ramarao on Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:53 am

Never imagined this image could create openions - not just here on CNP - but others who have seen this have been asking me a questions - to summarise "if you don't lead the viewer either by an element in the image or by text , it is almost junk " :)
Well, i cannot add an element now but i can add text here :)
Having "Rain" as the subject, for over 2 monsoon seasons, this image is a result of a day when everyone was waiting for rains. Rains were delayed, clouds were covering but was not pouring. Everytime clouds covered, there was a joy that it could rain and life had happy moments of hope.
I have used dark to show rain clouds, yellow as happy, green as life on earth.
Believe me it rained moments after i clicked this image.

Let me know if my text added more junk here :)
-RD

Commentby Nilanjan Das on Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Nothing is a junk RD :-), we are all trying to learn here through explorations. It may be that my concept about abstract too might be absolutely wrong or may be there are a few things I have not been able to visualize or understand. Unless we enter discussions new ideas, new paths will not unfold...hence I would suggest not to consider any creation as junk. I was only trying to be very honest about my thoughts.

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Commentby Adithya Biloor on Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:50 pm

Sorry for the delay in reply. I was away from the net for the last 3 days. (Conducting a small exhibition of my photos.)

Doc,
why does a photographer need to have a painter's approach firstly ?
Well, why shouldn't we have a painter's approach?
I have deliberately said the approach is of a painter and not the image is looking like a painting.
If we try to relate music and photography, why shouldn't we relate painting and photography?
Theoretically, every photo can be painted. A highly skilled painter can paint all the photographs. But a musician can't sung a photograph, a dancer can't dance a photograph, a sculptor can't sculpt a photograph. There is an inherent similarity between a photograph and painting.
There are many common aspects in painting and photography. Photography has drawn many things from painting. From the rule of third to impact of colors on human mind photography has taken many things from painting.
In the last century many moments have taken place in the field of painting like impressionism, expressionism, surrealism, abstract expressionism, etc. These all moments have happened with a purpose. they are the result of intellectual minds.
Why shouldn't we get inspired by them?

At the same time, a photograph/bad photograph can't become a good photograph just because it looks like a painting. Imitation of brush strokes, deliberate attempt to make a photograph look like an impressionist photograph can't convert a bad photo into a good photograph.

A painter starts with a blank canvas and a photographer starts with the objects which are already there. Yes, a photographer has constraints (If we can call like this) compared to a painter. But if try we can overcome this. In this RD's picture itself he said that he is trying to depict the joy of rain. He has managed to to get the colors which represent rain, clouds, joy and earth to him.

But, then again doesn't every pre-visualisation is a painter's approach? We go to a place, analyse the scene, wait for the right light, wait for the bird to enter into the frame .... If the scene is already in our mind do we really need camera to record that or we can just paint that. I feel photographer's approach lies in expecting nothing and reacting to the moments spontaneously.


an abstract in all cases is an attempt to move away from reality thus having a degree of freedom
I agree with this. I also like to add, there are times we try to represent the things which doesn't exist in real. E.g. portrait of a wind. We haven't seen wind. Yet we try to represent it in our ages. Of course, even though we can't see the wind we feel it. How about the portrait of a mind or an angry mind through nature photograph? We haven't seen it. Yet trying to represent through photographs. We have tried to describe it through words, why can't we represent it through pictures?
In most of our expression knowingly or unknowingly our expression revolves around written/ spoken language or the expressions which can be put into words. Why can't an "amoortha" feeling be represented through picture? Why shouldn't an artist try to generate "amoortha" feeling in the minds of the viewer ?

So I have a doubt. You wrote, (In your article-abstracts) "Distortion presupposes a norm or order from which to depart and in representation it must have a recognisable reference to the norm which is distorted for example a distorted circle". What if the presupposed norm doesn't have a recognisable form?

Off late I am thinking of new ways of commenting/ reacting. I wish I could just post a picture in the comment section instead of words. I wish I could place a real stone in the comment box. I wish I could hug the artist in the comment box. A reaction to the abstract art in the abstract form.

Just because a shape begins to form, does it become an abstract. so are you suggesting that you are looking at this image to create a degree of binding and not a degree of freedom ?


When I said "some random shapes are emerging in the yellow portion." I meant these are the physical things happened in my mind. This is how I tried to construct the image in my mind. This is may be one of the thousand interpretation/responses to the image. The image failed to grow beyond that. So I guessed, "some, more gradation in the colours/ different arrangement colours/ some more colours would have added". I know, this again becomes technical aspect. This is like a suggestion by a fellow photographer, like how we suggest "how about cropping?". Not the suggestion to change the entire design.

I am sorry, I may be deviating from the topic. You know, how good I am in expressing through words. I wish I could accompany you guys in Bharathpur to have a tete-a- tete. :(


RD,
To be honest, I am not able to connect with picture. I tried to connect in my own way, but I felt it lacks something to hold my attention. I don't think I need your words to guide me. In fact your words (in your last comment) are binding my imagination.

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Regards,
Adithya Biloor
www.lensandtales.com



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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:00 pm

Adithya, I think it is better to discuss this in person hopefully when we meet one day somewhere.

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Commentby Adithya Biloor on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:33 am

That would be great doc, may be in next CNP meet?

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Regards,
Adithya Biloor
www.lensandtales.com



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