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Impressions of Khadir
Some flies right
Some flies left
Some moves right
Some moves left
And some don't move !
All with a purpose
I am too small to know
An order in chaos
A chaos in order
That's life at Khadir
Designed by almighty..
Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:05 pm
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Commentby Vikas T R on Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:15 pm

Absolute beauty......for me you are giving a new direction to photography with such images.......till i join CNP, i had never imagined photos can be so creative.... :)
TFS

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:17 pm

Very True Ganesh, very rightly expressed, both in words as well as through your image. Can I ask something ? I have been doing some multiple exposure myself during the entire Gujarat trip, I tried to keep overlaps and I tried to avoid overlaps, do you think overlaps make the the art or is overlap actually a deficiency that needs to be considered while making the image. Probably situation dependent too, but do you think in all situations the overlaps works ? Why is it that am unable to accept this overlap mentally ? Something wrong with my seeing or interpretations ? In these kind of images, overlaps can not be avoided and in fact it is looking good, but with birds in flight, I was feeling spacing the shutter in a way to avoid the overlaps provides a better image. May be am so new to this that my ideas are yet not very clear. I would love to know about your thoughts buddy.

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:58 pm

Nilanjan, I don't think there is a formula which defines what works or what does not. However, I think spacing them very close might help hide them in images like this while spacing them apart (to me) makes it very apparent for my taste buds. May not work well with flights. Then, I also think flight and keeping them apart does not serve the purpose of multiple exposure well too (unless we want to show one as more than one). Your thoughts ? Show us your image, we can have further discussion...

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:07 pm

Surely Ganesh, I will process and post soon. These were the thoughts I was having in the field only and I deleted a whole lot of images thinking that overlaps happen mostly due to improper spacing. But then I never thought of that keeping them apart does not serve the purpose of multiple exposure. I am still not sure why we use multiple exposure ? Shooting in continuous high and 8 fps will surely get us overlaps without failure. There must be a purpose for using the technique, to show something otherwise not possible in a single frame, am just wondering what is that. I was trying out various scenes as you know and then stopped it after you told me that it can be considered to as digital manipulation. I loved the multiple exposure shot of Adithya U.N of both the ants and the tadpoles. That was a perfect use of the technique to convey presence of just a few which conveyed the entire dynamics and in the process few had overlaps and I did not mind them at all. But I really am not sure about the one's I made. Even works so well the same way for your image. I would post the images and then we can discuss.

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:22 pm

Sure, we can discussion further on the image that you will post. Regarding my comment on digital manipulation, it would considered so if you make different exposures out of context. For example making the first shot of the rising moon on east and the second shot on west after sunset to get the twilight feel instead of dark sky with a moon. Making the two exposure of the same subject together won't be considered manipulation. Also, no one can decide what is digital manipulation, every one is free to formulate them for the purposes like photo contests. These digital ethics are moving targets.

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:39 pm

Very true Ganesh, I think I will have to rethink about my approach with multiple exposure, but let's discuss this when I post the image. Thanks buddy, your words really help to clear up thoughts.

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Commentby Praveen P Mohandas on Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:55 pm

Nilanjanda is is cracking his head to find a solution for using double exposure very effectively...i very well know how much time he spent playing around with this technique...but the canon engineers saved all canon users from this trouble by not providing such an option....thanks canon....

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:05 pm

hahahahahahaha, lol, love u Praveen, always been banging my head for the wrong reasons :-), hahahahahaha.

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Commentby S. Das on Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:41 am

I was about to mention about Canon when I read Praveen's comment :D :D :D But Praveen Canon is not so heartless .. They have provided this feature in the new 1Dx :D

This one works very well for me Ganesh .. Love the areas of the frame where the birds are not too jumbled .. I think if the birds were slightly less in number and more evenly spaced then it would have been even better for me ! At first I felt like I am watching a 3D stereo image without the glasses :)

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Commentby nirlep on Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:41 am

Hi Ganesh,
A very interesting image indeed! The description of the image by the "poet Ganesh :)" clearly defines the intent behind multiple exposures done by the "photographer Ganesh". One 35 mm screen is all a still photographer has to investigate this dynamic universe. The scene described by Ganesh in his preamble would imply the birds reconstitute their formation into a new visual anagram. In order to understand such a scene one could come up with two options. One ; single exposure with slow shutter for slow movements interspersed with still moments, two; multiple exposure as used by Ganesh. In my opinion the latter is a better move as it removes traces of movement and captures various anagrams as discreet happenings on a single frame. Spatial shifts and overlaps thus captured apart from looking different may also mean something. A Photographer should not be saddled with the responsibility of supplying meaning if the visual appeals to him/her even in a broad visual sense. Michael fae who did a MegaTransect of african jungle recorded whatever he thought worth recording in his 455 day odessey through thick unexplored jungle. I recall NG article where he mentioned that the data may one day be interpreted by someone. But he did record it because it appealed to his inner order. In this sense this image is highly creative with meanings hidden in visual anagrams presented as multiple exposures.
I'm enjoying every bit of yours and Nilanjan's interaction. Sometimes I feel I'm also there with you guys.
Thanks for this trip!

Commentby Ashwini Kumar Bhat on Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:49 am

Quite unique! Amazing feel to the image. I am loving the upper half of the image more than the lower half. An excellent execution as usual and an awesome result. Thanks for sharing Ganesh.

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Commentby dinesh.ramarao on Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:27 pm

'An order in chaos A chaos in order ' i liked these words Ganesh. As Ashwini says, i too liked the upper half more than the lower. Technically i have not tried multiple so far in digital world, alas, i use canon. Now a question, i could not make out number of exposures here 3,4 or just 2 ?
Never mind about technicalities, this is a enjoyable creation.
And ofcourse, Nilanjan teaches all of us how to ask questions :)
-RD

Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:19 pm

You are exactly right Nirlep. The purpose of shortly spaced multiple exposure in this case is to show the motion. Given the contrasting light I felt shortly spaced multiple exposure is better than slow shutter speed to convey the motion. In past I did use multiple exposure for a different purpose - to show the contours of motion at night - one is here and another one is here. These two are different uses serving different needs.

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Commentby drpsrinivasan on Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:58 pm

Ganesh, One of the finest creations I have ever seen.
Sad I was there ... but I was not! Cheers guys for all the wonderful lessons!
All the very best for 2012.

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Commentby Prashanth Sampagar on Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:05 pm

First of all unique creation, Ganesh! This image certainly opens up a whole new dimension. After seeing this image I'm forced to question myself that am I getting the best out of my camera. And the answer is a big NO. Every time you go out with a camera you will be going with lot of expectations from all of us and every time you raise the bar. Looking forward to see many more such creations from you. TFS.