Darter - Color or B&W ?

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Darter - Color or B&W ?
For a change this time I did lots of bird portraits but of a different kind (not of a bird-on-stick kind :) ). They are kind of 'avian macro' images with extreme shallow dof made using 840mm from very close quarters
using tilt adapters (22 degrees tilt at 840mm). I was trying to play with selective focus and was focusing on use of light and various 'bird designs' of mostly darters/egrets/cormorants/herons standing at one place for 2-3 days.

Will share them slowly. Between color and B&W what works better ? B&W below ..

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And this is how the lens looked !

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Hope this clears some doubts about the set up.
Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:03 pm
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Commentby Madhav Jois on Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:38 pm

Liked B&W, but LOVED the color version for its subtle colours. I have to ask, i see banding just below the beak tip, is my display not able to display full colors of the pic?

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:43 pm

I don't see it on two of my displays Madhav, so not sure..

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Commentby pritibhatt on Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:48 pm

Beautiful ! loved the coloured one..the beak glowing gold .:)

Commentby Rajkumar on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:21 pm

my preference is for B n W . Reasons
- You can bring out the feeling of light
- Manage tones with more freedom
- Bring out the shadow details a little more. The Zone IV texture is critical for the success of this image
my 2 cents. Love to see more

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:55 pm

Thanks Raj.

The Zone IV texture is critical for the success of this image


Can you please elaborate on this ? Are you suggesting to open up the image (probably neck portion?) to get more zone IV tones ?

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:57 pm

Now, with the details of how you made the images with 22 degree of tilt and shift, let me clarify a bit to fellow CNPians about a few incidents. Someone has an image I made of you while you were using this setup. One has to imagine Ganesh looking at 12 o clock position while the lens was aimed at 10 O clock position :-). A few more tilt adapters and Ganesh would have looked in front while making an image of what lay behind him....Must add the story of Birender ( Ganesh's Rickshaw driver ). He is just so concerned about Ganshi :-). But one of the days in Bharatpur he could not hold himself up anymore. He had shown a subject to Ganshi. Ganshi setup his lens and camera but Birender found him facing the subject but his lens was aimed somewhere else. He thought that poor Ganshi must have broken his lens and was indeed concerned and sympathetic. To add salt to Birender's miseries, Ganshi showed a few images to Birender on his cam and from that day onwards poor fellow went into a state of shock thinking that his famous client has completely lost his mind. We could see him stop talking ( which is a rarity ) for days. Ramesh noted that from the next day he turned up in the park with Surma in his eyes...:-). We were so inclined to ask him why, but then soon understood. Ganshi had shown him a few images where the word focus did not exist anywhere in the frame and asked Birender how were the images ? Poor fellow, scared of losing his age old client had to appreciate but could not hide his state of shock. Probably thought his eyes were giving problems as he must have seen the very sharp images of Ganesh as blurred.....more stories of Birender later....
The colored one really looks nice Ganshi...

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:13 pm

Nilanjan, even couple of other photographers were concerned that the 600mm lens was bent. It looks very odd to anyone including photographers !

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Commentby Soham Sarkar on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:24 pm

would definitely the prefer the color version.......I love B&W images of wildlife and natures......it gives images a feeling.......but not all images are for black white.This image looks fabulous in B&W ,but I like the combination of bluish tone and warm tone in the color version .So my vote is on color version.........thanks for sharing.

Also enjoyed the story. Nilanjanda.........thanks for sharing it

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Commentby swapnil19 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:29 pm

i prefer the color version , lovely curves n light tone variations, can u enlighten us on the use of tilt adapters in general and in this image??

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Commentby kiran_sham on Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:54 am

Definitely the colored image... to me, the orange beak was the subject throughout the trip. The rest is only "patterns" adding to the subject's presence :)

Commentby Hrishikesh N on Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:38 am

Hi Ganesh, I liked the colour version. I can also see semi circular banding below the beak of the bird on my screen... more prominently on the colour version.

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Commentby Abhisek Majumdar on Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:35 pm

The colors are a bit overpowering for me... I wud go for the B&W since it seems to complement the design so beautifully and allows my eyes to traverse through the entire path of light and the gentle fall of the dof...

Thanks, Abhisek

Commentby Rajkumar on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:48 pm

Yeah Ganesh. The Glow of the beak as well as just behind the eye if it is opened up it may enhance i feel

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Commentby Shankar Kiragi on Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:07 pm

I like the colour version. Excellent tilted portrait image :-).

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Commentby dinesh.ramarao on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:37 am

I tend to like b/w Ganesh. I am not sure if i am looking for better definition of eye. Would that matter ? I am sure this is not the best of creations from this pond.
Couple of more adapters this setup would look like a huge periscope :)
-RD