cant help my obsession with Gaja..and here is another perspective,
at the risk of being repetitive..i still have posted this version,
with the feedback coming in,its a huge learning....!!!!
square crop? does it work or not?
Borders.? i see some large thick borders on a lot of images..and
wonder what really decides whether a border should or shouldnt be there..
would be great to have some veiws ??
Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:23 am
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Commentby AratiRao on Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:14 am

I love this image neelu. The fold of the ear and the hint of folds in the skin are beautiful... Plus it is an aaney - that is a winner for me any day!
I have been gravitating towards a square crop for certain subjects myself - and this one, i feel, lends itself well due to the proportions of the aaney's head.

And thanks for the qn that we have been batting around offline on borders. hoping for some good feedback and pointers.


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Commentby Radha on Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:45 am

This image is lovely Neelu! The square crop definitely works for me and the parts of the aaney you've included and excluded are perfect :)

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Commentby Sriharsha Ganjam on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:10 pm

I love this image Neelu. The square crop is working very well for me. The main thing I am pleased about is the rendition of the eye. It stays in relatively good focus along with the ear to give the image a nice character. The excluded parts of the elephant are left to the observers imagination. I remember me trying to make such signature "Neelu" elephant shots in Kazi last month and I was presented with a lot of opportunities. But its difficult to replicate master strokes and its best appreciated after you fail replicating one for yourself. It gives you a sense of the exquisite knack involved behind making a master piece. And I failed in all, horribly :) I didnt have a single usable frame which portrayed the beauty so elegantly. Congrats! ;-)

For the borders I personally avoid using them as I love having an image which has the possibility of unbound freedom. Borders to me mean exactly that "Borders" where the mind comes to a standstill. My mind would not wander images with strong borders. And images likes this which invite the mind to explore around and wander are best left unbounded IMO. Anyway thats my opinion

Commentby ramesh_adkoli on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:20 pm

Square crop and low-key B&W rendering works well here. Love the zoom-burst effect and it works well even though its eye (main post of interest) isn't in the center. TFS.

Commentby Nilanjan Das on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:46 pm

Any particular reason why you did not want the eye to be in the center of the burst ?

Nilanjan Das Photography

Commentby dinesh.ramarao on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:12 pm

Ditto Nilanjan's q ?

Commentby neelu on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:36 pm

arati, radha ...thank you...we do have a collective craze about aaneys..besides a whole lot of others..

Harsha....ur being very generous., im quite embarrassed and honestly there is no mastery here..i was experimenting and quite liked the result..what u dont see is the ones that didnt quite cut it, and there are plenty...its too early in my journey to even think of any mastery....
Borders...i decided not to put one...for exactly the same would limit and imprison the freedom of the strokes that carry imagination with them beyond the frame...

Nilanjan....i started the burst mid ear..and not the the saying goes.."eye is the window to the soul' could i fracture a tiny eye, with the start of the zoom burst..and intentionally
focussed above it..also nicer that its position makes the image asymmetrical and yet counter balances the eyes' perceived intensity...with... the visual weight of the large ear and the surrounding dark toned composition..???dont know if my reasoning cuts it.. but its what i felt..and it intuitively translates while clicking.. ur thoughts behind this question ? ????

ramesh...thank u.. i personally find an centred image more interesting...looks like we agree on that..

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:35 pm

I just love this one Neelu ! I would definitely consider cropping it till the ear. That way you can beautifully increase the visual weight on the eye. Zoom-burst worked like a magic on this without being very apparent or artificial. I don't think this needs a border, it may work too. If you want to have one try the current (CNP) backdrop grey color itself. That seem to go very well. Thanks for sharing.

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:47 pm

Neelu, the only way to tell you why I asked this question is by showing an image. But, CNP being a public forum I do not think I should download someone's image and post it here, wish I could show it. Since I can not do that, you can might as well ignore my query and move on :-). But in case anyone is interested, plz refer to Greg Du Toit's image called Dinosaur Eye...if you are friends with him in facebook, you will find the image there. Normally, am not at all a fan of zoom bursts ( after seeing so many images of sun's rays passing through leaves and branches ), I just felt the technique was over used and finally did not create any thing new. ( Absolutely my perception, plz do not treat this is as am trying to tell others what to like or dislike :-) ). But I felt the zoom burst in Greg's image definitely created an impact, the purpose showed very well. The burst started keeping the eye in the center. The reason I liked it more as the motion in the burst conveyed the journey of the rhino from the prehistoric times to the present while the focus on the eye conveyed to me that the eye of the rhino is asking the present generation if it would be able to make to the future as well or not. Later when I read Greg's thoughts, he too mentioned something about a journey this far. Not necessarily you too need to have the same thoughts, if it works for you then nothing else matters. I hope I could explain. Have fun....

Nilanjan Das Photography

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Commentby Nevil Zaveri on Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:28 pm

wonderful square crop 'n zoom burst, neelu. it seems you have mastered capturing/suggesting motion quite well. like the overall monochrome feel 'n the way details focuses in the middle.

tfs. regards.

Nevil Zaveri

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Commentby neelu on Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:29 pm

R.D... i really didnt think at that point in time....just very intuitively..did not want to start the burst in the eye...!!
dont think its right to go back to the image and come up with interpretations, retrospectively., about the image....which were not there while be honest.

Ganesh...thank you...will do a crop as suggested..and i tried the border..but just takes away the freeflowing spirit .of this image IMO...

Nilanjan..... i had a look at Greg Du Toit s image....the concept is so similar...strange... and i have not heard of this photographer or seen this image.. i wonder if a doubt has been raised in veiwers mind of me having tried to imitate the concept..?? hope i have tried several types of motion..loving the softness and dynamism ..and being excited by it..
i like the softness of the radiating lines in my image...its not a hard distinct lines one sees in a usual burst....its just about gently there..

and of course your interpretation of "the eye" in the centre...makes the rhino image all the more unique...

i had no such thoughts confess... about my image.!! just not still "applying my mind" :)

Nevil. mastery..just experiments and choosing the right pics....u dont see the disasters! and there are plenty!!!

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Commentby Nilanjan Das on Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:17 pm

" i wonder if a doubt has been raised in veiwers mind of me having tried to imitate the concept..?? "......... why would this thought even cross your mind Neelu ? Since I told you about keeping the eye in the center, I wanted you to see an example. This creation by Greg is also not very unique, many others have done it before him. That does not take away any credit from him neither does it take away any credit from you as well :-). Plz do not think this discussion is an attempt to demean or degrade your creativity :-) or to make it look any less creative compared to Greg's image, I truly admired your image here. Let's keep discussions simple and open for interpretations, guess we all learn from every line discussed here.
Since you did not hear about Greg before, he is an accomplished National Geographic photographer and has won a lot of accolades.

Nilanjan Das Photography

Commentby neelu on Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:42 pm

Nilanjan...of course.. just shared what thought crossed my mind..good to talk about it.

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