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Sometimes I think 'human aesthetics' is a kind of celebration of our visual/cognitive limitations. A few lines here and there, harmonious colors and few forms and shapes, lots of empty space, not much of 'clutter' etc often appear visually pleasing. Isn't nature 'beautiful' beyond what is visually apparent? Should our sense of beauty be restricted to what is visible to our eyes?

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Commentby Adithya U N on Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:19 am

I would go as far to say that beauty not just lies in the eyes of the beholder, it also lies in heart and mind of the beholder. Visual representation will only help to connect on a common ground which is absolutely not necessary to experience the beauty/harmony that one feels within his/her own heart/mind..

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Commentby Nevil Zaveri on Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:06 am

Aptly said, Ganesh, there are more surprises n beauty beyond our visual / cognitive limit. Glad to see every pixel is a life here n as those two rocks seems like hiding elephants!
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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:26 am

Nevil,

those two rocks seems like hiding elephants!


Very well expressed!

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Commentby Rajkumar on Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:48 pm

like those stately gentle gaints

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Commentby Anders Wahlund on Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:40 pm

Now there will perhaps be a little vague and imprecise thoughts withought a straight thread. But anyway:-)
Is "beautifulness" something connected to the human thinking. Or could other species experience this feeling too?! We need to organize all information we are seeing or hearing, impressions we are becoming from all around us. We need to structure up the impressions to something we already know, otherwise it is hard for us to understand what it is. For example, when looking at a photography it could be for example geometrical shapes, or the melody scales and rythms in music. If it is too easy to organize the information, then the music gets only boring. There needs to be something that sticks out, irritates our intellect to say, but not as much as it gets too difficult to understand. (My father never understood the music I was listening to :-) ) Here somewhere we could find the point where we experience "beauty" in the music etc. ?! And, if it is hard to reach the feeling of beautyfulness when we cannot understand, added that the nature probably often is too complicated, then I think the nature just goes out of what we can experience as beautiful. It is only simple parts of the nature which we can be beatiful, for example a flower or the sight of a mountain range. A scientist in zoology etc, with a trained intellect for his thema, can probably feel the beautifulness in another level than the common man.

Do we need to make the nature beautiful in our photograpy? Yes and no. It depend on what the images are for. I like to make images that are beautiful for me. And sometimes I make a photo only because I think it is something interesting. More complicated will it be when you which that other persons find you images interesting - then you probably need to make the images, so that the images hopefully are beautiful for the other persons.

Something I once have read over the thema "when is a forest beautiful?" - It depends of for whom. The person that likes to make sport or trekking in the nature, would probably see the diversified culture forest beautiful. But when the forest is totally wild for several hundred years it will be a hard effort for him to walk there. Probably this is not what i would feel as beautiful anymore. But the totally wild forest could be beautiful for a professor in entomology! On the other side, a person that has been growing up with forestry in the family and is now forest owner, for him is it probably beautiful to see high and straight pine trees without any bush in between.

And a little bonus in the end: Is beautifulness only something humans can experince? There was once in the television from a animal park in Sweden where they sometimes have music conserts. One of the zoo workers was asking if the loud music was not disturbing for the animals. And he told that it actually looks as there is types of music that attracts the lemurs, it looks as they are listening, but the schimpanzees prefered more rock style. This little story makes no proof but it is interesting.



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Commentby Sarthak Agrawal on Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:39 pm

What a lovely feel of the rainforests. I love the glowing wet leaves. I still think that those are elephants in the back :) Tfs..

Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:02 am

Anders,

Is "beautifulness" something connected to the human thinking. Or could other species experience this feeling too?!


I tend to think other species too have the similar concept of the beauty. A related posting here.

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More importantly, theoretical physicists seem to think there is a larger "beauty" in the designs of nature that we don't fully understand. Steven Weinberg's thoughts seem to hint at that. Other part of your observation - is beauty relative?

I think at the outset it appears that "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". However, I think Einstein's thoughts, as expressed in his debate with Tagore on Nature of Reality appears very compelling to me. Probably, there is some absolute "beauty"!


Sarthak,

I still think that those are elephants in the back
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Yes they indeed are elephants. However, when Nevil said,

those two rocks seems like hiding elephants!


I think what he meant really is, "elephants look like rocks"! I felt that is an interesting expression.

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Commentby Adithya Biloor on Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:03 pm

I think Einstein's thoughts, as expressed in his debate with Tagore on the Nature of Reality appear very compelling to me


At first, Tagore seems to make sense too.

Need to read it again and again.

I have thought our notion of beauty is a kind of search. E.g, in a photograph we search for some action, drama etc. Or making something 'beautiful' to our eyes by removing 'clutter'. Why can't just a fallen leaf be considered a thing of beauty? However, I have always struggled to consolidate my thoughts.
One of the images I made long ago to express similar thoughts is here .

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Commentby Ganesh H Shankar on Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:45 pm

Why can't just a fallen leaf be considered a thing of beauty?


'Why can't?" - At the outset, I think we cannot force ourselves to accept something as "beautiful" when our innate senses don't agree with. That said, I now have two choices - either to believe my senses (Tagore) or suspect my senses with humility (Einstein/Kant). Can there be something deeper, simpler in Nature, that if we know, suddenly these clutters become 'beautiful' to our senses? Why the clutter in this case is not all that appealing? That goes back to my thoughts that our aesthetics (and reasoning) itself are probably constrained.

Summary being, drawing inspiration from Einstein-Tagore debate, I may accept a thing as beautiful only if it appeals to my senses, if not I conclude that it is not beautiful, period or humbly accepting/suspecting our limitations and probably wondering about the larger beauty which our senses can't decipher due to what we have been given by Nature. I think the latter possibility is more 'beautiful' for my senses!!

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